but also more than a dozen other average companies from across the country. industry buzz followed. potosi is now home to the national brewery museum and annual festivals. potosi gets 70,000 tourists a year? >> yes. >> reporter: that is a lot of people. how good does that beer taste of the driving 100 miles ? >> it tastes really great. >> reporter: the taste of the towns come back. maggie vespa, nbc news, potosi, wisconsin. >> cheers to potosi. on that note, i wish you a good night. remember, you can catch me every weekend on the saturday show and the sunday show at 6:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. up next, a look back at trump's criminal trial today. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late, see you this weekend. we

welcome to our special new york versus donald trump. i'm ari and we will get into this criminal trial. defendant trump reeling in the first week of testimony in new york. we are covering that on tonight's special. we'll have new reporting on the damning testimony. experts on the law to the sordid world of new york tabloids. we have experts on that believe it or not. we have a beat special report on a new separate indictment against a trump lawyer boris epstein who first admitted his role in the now indicted elector plot on the beat. this week, they asked a bunch of trump friendly questions about the potential problems with prosecuting a president. if you listen to the oral

argument you may have noticed it almost sounded like that kind of trial was a futile project. up the east coast, an actual trial of a former president was going forward and the republic did not crumble. it is a contrast that hangs over all of this in america and what we get into tonight. this very first week of the new york trial was orderly and fair and seems to undercut the supposed concern of the trump appointed justices that trials of presidents are a very bad thing when they are already happening. the first week of this trial shows not only that it is possible, but it also gave us the first real evidence back the court binding the da's version of the story. >> the prosecution started. they laid out a dispassionate

straightforward very linear, very blunt. >> reporter: prosecutors telling the jury of seven men and five women today, it was election fraud. pure and simple. >> the defense gets right up. and the defense says the story you just heard isn't true. >> you heard the prosecution lay out a clear road map. >> you had a reference to the tape recording. that's a terrible tape. >> the national enquirer's publisher giving bomb shell testimony. >> pecker tells cohen, quote, we committed a campaign violation. cohen's response according to pecker said he wasn't worried because quote jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. >> david pecker acknowledged that he did this catch and kill with karen mcdougal with the benefit of the trump campaign. >> the defense spent hours trying to trip him up.

catch him in contradictions. >> former long time executive assistant described as the gate keeper. his right hand. her lawyers are being paid for by donald trump. >> the case is about a criminal conspiracy. and a cover-up, tabloid veteran david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealings with the trump lawyer turned of course star witness michael cohen. to buy and then bury stories all in order to protect trump's campaign. they allege a specific agreement to cook the books to hide their financial footprints. the da told the jury this will be corroborated with evidence in trump, the defendant's own words with receipts, showing an

illegal conspiracy to undermine the election. trump's defense rebuts that by saying there isn't even an actual conspiracy charge in this case. that is true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more colobing wall meaning. the defense attacks the whole election fear that trump promoted an election by unlawful means. that would be needed to butt this into a felony case. the trump defense has kind of said well maybe the da is just being alarmist about what amounts to however dirty politics as usual. trump's lawyers proclaiming there is nothing wrong with trying to influence an election. it is called democracy. national enquirer chief was the hottest witness. dishing out details that

informed that trump alliance. the so-called media decisions were phoned in by cohen himself and the money to silence women came from the enquirer and cohen: so playboy model karen mcdougal and stormy daniels got money from different places but it all went back to the original campaign motivation. the da also showing how the trump side knew this was wrong. that pecker got nervous when they started the probe. and cohen claimed trump had jeff sessions in his pocket as doj adding to the evidence that team trump knew they had criminal exposure from this and

their thinking was not we didn't do a crime. their thinking was oh, our appointees will protect us. we have them in our pocket. as you can see. i don't know how jeff sessions would fit in there. but it is an analogy. but trump's doj didn't actually shield michael cohen. he was convicted and imprisoned by the prosecutors who are federal prosecutors during the trump era. by the end of the week, prosecution turned to a trump employee who appear to be on better terms with him than cohen. trump is frugal but they are still paying for her lawyers. you take this all together, you see a lot more evidence against trump than reasonable doubt on his behalf. that doesn't mean he is losing this case. we are on the da's side. but this wasn't exactly a slow

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welcome back to our special. trump on trial. new york versus defendant donald trump. we are joined by district attorney joyce vance and jason johnson. both analysts for us, joyce, i went through some of what we got this opening week. it fair to say if you are on the jury, the da is up in the lead. i was careful to say it doesn't mean we know the outcome. what do they have to worry about? >> it is a great question. if you are the prosecution and you are not up after your first witness, you are in big trouble. right? but, the prosecution really did start off i think with an unexpected bang. no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we knew he had been cooperating with prosecutors and brought trump into the election fraud

conspiracy necessary to turn the misdemeanor into a felony. he today up well on testimony. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they questioned some of the key pieces of evidence. but he was thoroughly rehabilitated on cross- examination. >> i don't want to be unkind to the defendant. and he is legally presumed innocent. but his family is not there. the your can notice that. the guy is a liar but we are friendly. he may have committed campaign crimes but we are friendly. and he has a whole back story

of shall we say allegations but we are friendly. if these are views of his friends, how does that hurt him both in not only the jury, but the court of public opinion? >> this is the thing. that is why this is such a bad week. we can go through all of the sort of legalese and jargon but the average person is picking up every fifth word. things like adult film star. payoff. family isn't there, falling asleep during the trial. so the outside world is like okay, this doesn't look good. he doesn't sound alert. we are not seeing anything that shows trump is alert and paying attention to this. it's the old song, friends, how many of us have them right? but if you heard someone say this room was filled with people and they leave the room every day and melania is there, it givers the outside world the impression these people believe in him. the fact he doesn't have people down with him, that is what the public is picking up and definitely the jury sees that.

>> are you going to tell joyce the reference you made? >> i think she knows that one. >> i don't know. >> what i'm going to do, joyce, i will let you marinate on this one. we will come back to this. for the public, front pages and red and blue. this is such a big deal. and it is happening. to remind people of what it is like if donald trump is in the center we will is in power, the center of the story. people might have forgotten what it was like.

does that hurt him? >> it hads up. we are thinking he is in court for documents and aaffair. everyone thinks he will be in trial the whole time and that makes people worry. but here's the ore thing. we talked about this before. i don't carry too much weight in polls this early but the number of americans who said if donald trump is convicted of anything, that it will affect their vote has stayed steady at 23 to 25% so there is a risk here. this is not just a situation where trump supports say no matter what. there is a quarter of the population and it tends to be independents saying if he is convicted in something like this, they will say i can't do it for this guy. and that is a real consequence of the trial. >> i appreciate the precision of your mind and that you dropped a second reference gone until november, fuji. i'm reminded of when he said we are up in the danger zone.

the judge hit the hammer will you unveil your earlier reference? >> no. i will wait. i want this to be tease and i will have you know this when you come back for the next segment. >> oh wow. all right. >> she will integrate it. >> here's the thing. people ask was this planned? was this scripted? i didn't know what was your going to say. we will all be in suspense. >> beautifully put. joyce, i did want to include you in the legal breakdown here. because these arizona charges are not only a big deal, they involve one of trump's new york defense advisers boris epstein. so joyce will come right back. as these cases collide, we will show you boris epstein. we have that breakdown with joyce vance next. breakdown wi joyce vance next. it's doug. we help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. we got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold.

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trump on trial. this month is actually the first time ever americans have watched a former president put on trial. trump at the defendant table with boris epstein. has become central to trump's activities since 2020. in court as you see along with the defense council two day ins a row just as he was at the defense table at arraignment. he joined and led many different efforts throughout 2020 attacking those election results that showed trump lost. we have been reporting on those efforts for years including how contrary to the initial impression they included not just january 6th violence but a host of other plots over those

months. we pressed him in those roles and legal views which is irrelevant as he is involved in this. now, here we are in this extremely busy week. he is there working on his phone. trying to help trump stay out of the new york prison. but, what we can tell you is he joined the trump lawyers who need lawyers of their own. arizona prosecutors indicting him. >> boris epshteyn continues to have a role. >> boris epshteyn, names we have heard in the past back in the news. >> this is the first time he has been indicted but also a former trump aide remains to this day one of his closest top advisers. >> this is obviously a big

deal. he is presumed innocent. defendant trump using boris as a lawyer there. we have interviewed him. >> when you say you will provide evidence, does that mean your intent is to cooperate? >> i'm happy to provide the evidence. >> is your plan to reverse the election outcome? >> i had no idea there was going to be violence at the capitol. to challenge electoral votes. there was a process.

>> he is now indicted with meadows, ellis, eastman. lawyers who had to defend whether or not they became criminals plus, named among the unindicted coconspirators. the new york times says he could be an unnamed coconspirator in the jack smith case. the sixth spot has never been identified. the new york times said that. we have not confirmed that. we can confirm that epshteyn participated in the elector plot. this was about one year after the january 6th insurrection. long before jack smith was active. we pressed on how these aides seem today become directly

involved but appeared to break the law which could be indictable. and these leads we built on investigators followed them. so here we are on our special now. i will air that exchange and epshteyn ultimately admitting his role in the plan. not defending its legality. but saying he did it with giuliani. and that involved let's recall, trying to put blatantly fraud electors in states where trump had lost. we are airing this in its full context. about 90 seconds and you will hear epshteyn admit the very plan he is now indicted for. >> the attempt to deceit. >> we fought to seat the electors, the trump campaign asked us to do that.

did you ever make calls like that regarding what you are calling these alternate electors? >> i was part of the process to make sure there were alternate electors. >> so your view for the record is that you could, the results results show that biden won? >> the supreme court never ruled on the merits. >> the cases were so weak, they never reached the merits. not like bush v. gore where they had the full case. they didn't see. that included many trump appointed justices. >> it is a different makeup. not only is that potentially against the law, but you would lose the lawyer client

privilege for your client. the trump campaign. >> i will say it was absolutely done by the democrats. legally done by the trump legal team. under the rules of rudy giuliani. >> there you have it. that was a big deal at the time. epshteyn admiting in our interview after he pressed him and showed the results and the examples and the other corroborating evidence, that he was in the elector plot. these are states like arizona where trump has lost. so it looks a lot like government fraud. joyce vance as promised is back with us. i mentioned the nexus to the new york case. this is another person in the elector plot that is now facing a potential trial. potential conviction. your thoughts? >> that tape you just played government exhibit one and sent it to prosecutors in arizona,

because that is in essence boris epshteyn captured on video talking about the fake elector scheme he is now charged in, in arizona: and when that is added onto to the other evidence we have heard about that is publicly known, we don't know what prosecutors might have that we are aware of. emails trying to convince officials in arizona they should come on board for this plan. to put in a fake slate of electors to tie up the certification of the electoral college vote. that makes arizona's case look very solid. really interesting that boris is in court with donald trump in new york. not quite sure what we can make of that. he wasn't there for jury selection. wasn't there for opening statements. he did show up the day after he was indicted in arizona. maybe it was planned in advance. but it certainly is worth following. >> yeah. because again, it shows how many of these criminal plots intersect. this is someone indicted in 2020 election crime.

trying to defend trump against a 2016 election crime. as the supreme court hears the related coup election crime. i want to show how many of trump's lawyers and other officials are in trouble. we will start in the lower right where you have donald trump now an unindicted coconspirator this week in arizona. that would be big news any other year. it goes along with the other indictments he faces. as you move over on the screen, you see epstein unindicted coconspirator in georgia indicted this week in arizona, as you go up, a lot of other familiar names that got more attention because some of them were just indicted a lot earlier in the process. where do epstein and the other people fit into accountability? as we cover this trial tonight, joyce, on the one hand, we hear from people saying donald trump seems to keep getting away with it. on the other hand, it doesn't look like these other people are getting away with it. >> something i always understood as a prosecutor is how slowly justice appears to

take place. that has been true in this case more than anything i have ever seen. donald trump is sitting in a cold courtroom not on the cam train in manhattan. as the other cases are indicted and particularly this one in arizona, you have to wonder. will someone finally break from the herd and truly cooperate against donald trump? boris epshteyn has the appearance of someone. we don't know for certain. who was in close communication who could talk about what donald trump was thinking. that is something that jack smith would absolutely like to have in the federal prosecution in the district of columbia. when it is permitted to go forward. so it is all intermingled. >> and we will leave this on the screen here as i ask you. the other thing i want to mention is a lot of these people, particularly upper left, clark, eastman, giuliani and ellis and powell. you can tell i'm doing this out loud. were all very public. ellis was also on this program.

giving press conferences. epstein. one of their bets was that if you launder this in public, it might look more normalized and prosecutors will act. did that initially work? is that working now? >> it absolutely worked originally. i mean, there were people like you and me. we were two of them. who were stunned and immediately saw this as an effort to interfere with the election. from way far back. he said he wouldn't necessarily be bound by a vote that he lost. but there was this effort to say it can't be illegal because we are doing it openly. and in public. and that is not the sort of strategy you can maintain in the face of good independent prosecutors. and that is where we are now. >> really interesting. as you said, some people look and say it is like any other rorschach on this issue. well, they said it out loud, so it can't be that bad. well that's the game some of

them are playing. some of the time. best as i can tell. like you have i spent time dealing with this. but seeing this now reach accountability in arizona where mr. epstein is legally presumed innocent. but faces this mountain of everyday including what he said in public. yeah, i did it. he doesn't think elector fraud is a problem. apparently the prosecutors will agree. thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> really appreciate it. our thanks to joyce vance. more revealing testimony in the tabloid side of this. we have that special break down and our experts on the history of new york tabloids and how this might play with the seasoned new york city jury. on.

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here we are in this trial. we want to take a step back as part of our special right now. donald trump grew, thrived, and enriched himself. at the altar of pr and new york tabloid media hype. but as the great jay-z wasn't said, the sword that knights you could good night you. because of more than anything, the way he did these dirty unseemly tabloid deals. on friday, his own former assistant took the stand and testified how she saw at the

trump tower reception area. it was david pecker who testified. and explained how this whole thing worked to buy and bury negative stories through the tabloids to boost the campaign. was that your purpose locking up the story about the play mate to influence the election? and he confirmed yes. pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured. right down to the doctored photo. however bad it looks they said it was not a trump campaign thing. it is just how they roll.

they brought up arnold schwarzenegger and that deal. pecker said the agreement i had with arnold is i would advise him about stories out there. acquire them. buy them for a period of time. defense highlighting cohen didn't pay him back for the mcdougal story to get jurors to doubt if this was a trump campaign thing. i spoke to her lawyer who told us this. >> the affairs happen in 2006. michael cohen and i first contacted each other about the matter in 2011. so at a minimum they knew about me and stormy at a min numb. in 2011. they knew about it in 2012 and 13, 14 and 15. they knew about it when donald trump declared that he was a candidate. >> and the money only comes

through at the end. that is why this was not just tabloid business. it was campaign tabloid collusion if you will. the da highlights a text that davidson who you just saw sent to one of the top editors at the enquirer. something that could be ripped out of a novel. i wonder if we have a novelist around looking at the fact having buried the stories it helped donald trump just like him. they planned but saw he won and said quote what have we done? we are joined now. the writer of bright lights big city. you might know the screen play starring michael j. fox. welcome to both of you. jay, let's start with you. you know your way around fact, fiction in new york. what do you think about the tabloids coming back to bite donald in this way?

>> it is ironic. he lived in the tabloids. more than one of us did. but he used the tabloids for his own purposes. he knew very well how they worked in new york. i'm happy to say on behalf of new york tabloids they were not quite as blatant as the national enquirer. i remember when i was tabloid fodder, it was something that i guess i would call it trade and fade if you got called up and there was a scandal, a piece of gossip about you, you could get out of it and you could have it killed if you had a juicier item to trade. so that was, certainly donald knew that. and often called up the tabloids pretending to be his own publicist to spread

wonderful news about himself. but i find it extraordinary that the enquirer paid to actually not do the job they were doing. to deliver news. to the general public. and it is quite extraordinary. i hear pecker is a very nice guy. but it is extraordinary to me the things he has admitted. the things he has admitted were standard national enquirer practice in those days. >> that's one of the parts of the trial that is so interesting. sometimes people watch these criminal trials and learn about how policing really goes down. which is separate from the guilt question. >> i have never seen law and order ever in my life. >> it is not that the enquirer has some vaunted high reputation. but even people who think, you know, less of it, are surprised to understand it is not really any kind of fact finding media

institution. it impersonates a magazine at the supermarket but it is not really a magazine. here is donald trump way back in the 80s talking about how he uses media. >> do you cultivate a high profile? >> no i don't. for some reason. people call and they want to do something. if news week calls and they say donald, we want to do a cover story, you have to go along with it. and that happened. and other things happen and it is just something that happens. i can't really tell you what. >> that is false. jay reminded people how much he hyped himself and everybody knows that. >> you mean donald trump said something false? where did you find this? >> i'm curious what you think about both at times the sordid almost low stakes of this. when we think about history. and this is the first trial and the supreme court reminded us why it might be the only trial. >> donald trump understood

americans better than a lot of politicians in. he understood the reach of the national enquirer. the number of people who you would be very surprised to see in the supermarket sneaking a look at an article inside a magazine with a sensational cover and the same goes for the program that he was on, the apprentice? i'm sure that you were a weekly viewer just like me right? very aware of it. but the point is that paved the way for donald trump because a lot of people watched that thing for more than a decade. shows a successful businessman who is tough with a heart of gold. none of those three things are true. in 2016, people like me and my guests, didn't know how much that would do to ease his entry into politics. same with the national

inquirer. >> we have owl of our little details. we brought you and the historian here. our big fish. okay? we know disrespect to any of the others. all our fish are special. >> my mother said that about her children as well. >> this is a heck of a story. and a heck of a way to go down. would you write a novel this way? would it be too farfetched? >> several people have pointed out to me that trump has appeared in my novels. something i'm embarrassed about. michael reminded us of how he apprenticed himself to the media. with this show of his. the apprentice. and pecker testified that during the long run of that

show, when he became more familiar to the american public, he would repeatedly call pecker to promote or demote the contestants on the show. to sell his own agenda that week. it seems almost extraordinary and linear that was a important part of his rise. the apprentice. >> we know well. >> it would be unbelievable. >> and the chief character is

too cartoonish and inane. >> indeed. >> i think this would not pass muster in a work of literature because it is a cartoon. >> although one thing, you mentioned you had it on screen. we were thinking the same way. if you had a novel. and it was about all of this. you would have a character from the national enquirer calling someone up on the night of trump's election victory saying what have we done. >> that's what i think is so important. the jury can take their mind back to the end of 16. the general consensus. you can talk about the iraq war. sometimes the consensus gets it wrong. he was definitely going to lose. they saw this as yes, less likely to have an impact.

what have we done? as we also mark this week, the supreme court justices friendly to trump continually implied that if you have law and order, accountability or trials, this would be some new bad thing. and we have a lot of experts on it history showing that is not true. maybe trump bias is showing. >> do you think a little bit? >> i think maybe. i think if you do have a problem of overprosecuting, that would be one thing. but we haven't gotten there yet. and you mentioned previously. and we prepared for your view, we know about nixon and clinton. agnew was right in there. the fact there was an accountable process. by most people is not viewed as a problem. a bug. it is viewed as at least if it is bad enough, there are guardrails here. take a look at what we prepared

you. >> i categorically and flatly deny the assertion made by the prosecutors with regard to their contention of bribery and extortion on my part. >> what is your reaction to the resignation? >> i think it is a sad thing. >> it makes me glad. should have been done a long time ago. >> i think they throwed him to the wolves. >> simply wonderful. nixon should be next to resign. >> history's lessons. before trump, i this i you could argue they were somewhat more bipartisan. and people looked at that as a high point. we heard from trump friendly justice kavanaugh this week. actually, maybe that stuff is the problem. and the only good thing was pardoning nixon. what is going on with the lesson of history? >> that told later presidents like donald trump, you can do whatever you want. and probably the worse that will happen to you is like

nixon, you will retire to your seaside villa. so, in a way, it made the later presidency a crime zone. as was the case in those discussions on the supreme court yesterday. i couldn't believe my ears. i have always been raised to have respect with the supreme court. to hear them basically say things that sounded as if they were excusing january 6th as if it was just a tourist visit that was relatively harmless. those are the people who are going to assure world of democracy and rule of law for future americans if they continue to talk like that. directly tried if he is for what happened on january 6th. we will be living in a very unsafe country. the supreme court did that. >> really interesting. and given how much both real

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